PanPan CrewWatcher, smart MOB beacon for smartphones, plus Sea Tags & Fell MOB+

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now excited to have Ben Stein as very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Panbo is going to the next level in 2019 and beyond.

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  1. Crew watcher by PanPan says:

    Hi all, Jason here.
    I’m happy to answer any questions you might have about Crew Watcher by PanPan.
    I’d love to hear your thoughts.

  2. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    When the Raymarine product came out I opinied what changes would make it more useful. It seems like it is nearly all covered and more but two things standout.
    1. Triggering the chart plotter through nmea 2000 or 0183 with an MOB alarm so it’s alarms and MOB charting features can kick in with gps based functionality. Have you given this thought? Maybe collaborate with Kees and Signal K?
    2. Handling the frequent use case of returning to dock and your crew walking away with the beacons, I had proposed putting a tiny waterproof noisemaker on the beacons so they can alert the wearer to return the beacon to the boat (because they are out of range without getting a shutdown signal) Any thoughts about that?

  3. Kees says:

    Adding Signal K message to cover these types of alarms certainly makes sense. Signal K is able to accommodate more data attributes than possible in AIS messages, such as names and other stuff set in the app. Right now I’m sure Jason is focusing on getting his product out the door first 🙂

  4. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Ah, I found the last post I made on the Raymarine LifeTag where I wrote “I have enough things to do when I return to the dock, then to chase crew down for their life tag�s. Is there a function on the tag�s to alarm if you move out of 30 feet range? e.g. to warn crew to return the tag to the boat before they drive home after a sail?”
    https://staging.panbo.com/archives/2007/02/yet_more_lifetag_battery_issue_resolved.html
    Some other thoughts I see I had back then:
    * add a function on the base station to get all the tags to chirp so you can find where your crew hid them from the last use. — instead this would be add a function on the smart phone to get all or just selected beacons to chirp so you can find them.
    * Add a function on the smart phone app to list the beacons in range, so you can find out if a beacon was left behind at a dockside restaurant, before you depart.
    I also had a thought about a button on the beacon. That was more around a power saver mode, but it could still be useful. For example push the button to silence an alert you have to return the beacon to the boat, could also be useful in combination with the smartphone app to do an inventory of beacons or at the end of a boat trip switch the smartphone app into a beacon return mode and push the button to acknowledge you got it back from the user.

  5. Crew watcher by PanPan says:

    He Dan,
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
    We are very excited about the Signal K possibilities and already have some ideas for it. Kees is right tough, we are currently focused on getting V1 out the door.
    Since a lot of the product is software it’s never really finished.
    We intend to keep adding great features by letting our customers vote for what they’d want to see next.
    I have to disappoint on the speaker in the beacon for this version since we are already starting production. That said, it’s a great idea with a lot of possibilities.
    If your crew leaves the boat with your beacons you will know soon enough as the alarm will go off on your phone.
    Listing the beacons in range is already possible by simply turning the crew watcher on. All in range will connect the others will not. You can then use the signal icon to use a “hot/cold” principle to find any lost beacons.

  6. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Thanks for making yourself available here, Jason, and please don’t mind Dan. His specialty is overcomplicating everything in sight. Just kidding, D, but perhap this is a simpler and doable solution:
    When I noticed that the CrewWatcher app screens on the PanPan site use photos as well as names to ID beacon users, I wondered if they were being plucked from the phone’s contact list. Is that possible, Jason?
    If so, would it also be possible to add a “Call Ben (or whoever)” button to the individual beacon pop up menu? Then racers like Dan could leave the app running at the dock and if one of their crew ran away with a forgotten beacon after a tense race, then — tap, tap — he could call them and say “Pretty please bring the %$)!??? orange thing back.”
    The feature might be handy in other ways too, like private intercoming around large yachts with extensive CW meshes 😉

  7. Crew watcher by PanPan says:

    That is a superb idea Ben. We will add it to the development list.
    I do think it will have to be combined with just regular photo picking.
    I for one do not have pictures for all my contacts.

  8. Interesting device!
    A couple of thoughts:
    1. Put one inside the outboard motor cover when in areas prone to thievery.
    2. I wouldn’t think the “receiver” end would need network connectivity, so you could acquire a cheap device that could be integrated to the system full-time, and not require the captain/safety officer to have their phone in their pocket – especially useful once you’re offshore and the fone doesn’t have service anymore.
    3. Needs a credit-card size transmitter to put in my wallet. 🙂 [Or maybe my hat, Ben?]

  9. Crew watcher by PanPan says:

    He Hartley,
    One thing on our list is actually a property mode. Where you can attach a beacon to for example a dinghy or of course, an outboard motor.
    You actually don’t need a cellular network. The system creates an in depended network of Bluetooth so it will do just fine offshore.

  10. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Ben is on to something about using the users on smartphones to notify them they need to return a beacon. It would be a big step improved if it was automatic so that when a beacon goes out of range the contact associated with the beacon is automatically texted “URGENT: Crew Watcher – Either you fell off the boat, or you have departed the boat without returning my orange safety beacon. Please return the beacon right back to the boat. Disregard this message if you fell off the boat, in which case stay where you are and we will come back for you”.
    This approach still has that extra effort of associating the cell phone to the beacon, which would not be needed if their was a noise maker in the beacon.
    Maybe that extra effort could be reduced if you did the following:
    1. Make the feature person centric rather than beacon centric.
    2. In the app keep a list of people who have already been registered to a beacon in the past; allow additional crew to be added to the list; then make the association from this list to a beacon when handing out the beacons.
    3. Allow the app to work in a self-serve mode which disables to screen lock, so my crew can go to my smartphone, choose themselves or enter a cell #, pick a beacon and associate the two.
    You mentioned a mesh network? To make this more complicated, make it so that I can leave simple instructions for my crew to do the following
    1. Download CrewWatcher app from your app store
    2. Search for Breeze Pleeze 51300
    3. Choose a beacon from the box
    4. Find the beacon label on the app
    5. If you don’t mind your battery running down a little bit, choose Mesh Network to help with our safety monitoring today.
    6. If you take any pictures during our sail today, share them with the CrewWatcher application and we will all get a copy. Thanks!
    Yea, this may seam like a lot of extra software work, but this use case (crew walks away with beacon) will be 100’s of time more frequent than crew falling in water, and should be optimized for the captain.
    Since this is all about safety, maybe another thought is to take the idea of getting everyone’s contact information and pictures, and go the step of creating an automatic float plan that is kept on your server with a link that is emailed when the boat departs to key contacts.

  11. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    edit: users own smartphone

  12. Viddix24 says:

    Useful for monitoring a dementia/altzheimer stricken family member? No walking away from home.

  13. Kees says:

    @Dan, I wouldn’t use all that complication. I’d stick them in the boat’s lifejackets. I don’t allow crew to use their own as I have better ones than their own (mine are all Spinlock or Secumar 275N).

  14. Crew watcher by PanPan says:

    @Dan, We have added the contact sync to our development backlog since it provides a lot of useful opportunities.
    That said, it is at the end of the backlog now so we have to evaluate related features when we get there. I do see some difficulties with your proposed idea;
    You probably only want to alert if the crew watcher is turned on and the beacon goes out of range. In this case you would already receive an alarm (a MOB alarm)
    the person walking off with the beacon would then still be in “shouting distance”
    What happens if it would also work when turned off? You leave the boat and the beacons but take your smartphone home. Then everyone would receive a text asking to return their beacon.
    Kees’s solution would be very effective as well.
    You’d have to have lifejackets to spare tough.
    Jason.

  15. Crew watcher by PanPan says:

    He Viddix,
    One of our earlier projects was actually in a similar space; kids.
    Depending on the size of the home you could indeed use PanPan as a “wandering” alert.

  16. Marauder says:

    Ben, I like your idea of the call option popping up when a beacon leaves the boat. Was thinking something similar, but with one other enhancement – geo-fence the feature, so that an automatic call to the beacon wearer is made when he/she leaves the boat, ONLY when the app host phone (and therefore vessel) is in the Marina.

  17. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    I see the idea of alerting the crew they are walking away with the sensor is best done with a noise maker in the sensor. Until then ideas such as this from Mr. Complicated, going back to 2009 mind you, will sit here like treasures hidden in the comments of Panbo.
    I sense this product will do well on the market as envisioned, it just would be better if.

  18. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    I can see an absent minded person sticking a CrewWatcher beacon in their backpack, attache case, or purse, just in case. Of course the app will also alarm if the item itself “walks” away.
    But everyone should realize that in either of those cases, you will not know what direction the item is in, or even was in when the signal was lost (unless you remember where you left it). You’ll only know where the app-running device was; that’s the “point of loss.” In other words, MOB situations where the boat keeps on moving — sometimes for quite a while, and where one location looks exactly like another — are pretty ideal for this type of alarm system. “Wandering” is not, as best I can figure.

  19. Forgive the distraction, but that picture bothers me. Most people swim IN the water, and he is not walking on it. There is a similar FLIR screenshot which often appears in ads and articles, where the swimmer has both hands waving above her head. In the FLIR shot I think she was wearing a survival suit, so maybe that’s possible. So I had to read the linked article. In the movies, they have a catch phrase “based on true events” which gives Hollywood a generous artistic license. Either that is happening here, with some exaggeration, or the story is just plain made up. True, MOB is scary; this story, not so much. If you want realistic stories about MOB mid-Atlantic in a big storm, I recommend “Sailing a Serious Ocean” by John Kretschmer.
    https://www.amazon.com/Sailing-Serious-Ocean-Sailboats-Stories/dp/007170440X/

  20. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Norse, I presume you mean the illustration from the Sail article written by the first mate on the stern of the catamaran?
    http://www.sailmagazine.com/cruising/opinion/man-overboard-in-the-middle-of-the-atlantic-ocean/
    I agree that it’s technically unrealistic but maybe the illustrator Steve Sanford better expressed the desperation of the situation by showing us more of the skipper than, say, the back of his head and an arm?
    http://www.stevesanfordartist.com/

  21. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    PS It’s quite possible that the author of that story never saw the illustration until it was published. Regardless, it seems rough to accuse her of making it up. It is remarkable that she, or anyone, got back to the MOB but I can assure you that Sail is careful about such things.
    Incidentally, I have experienced a PFD that comfortably held me remarkably high, even in fresh water with lots of clothing on:
    https://staging.panbo.com/archives/2005/08/mustang_lift_vest_a_real_winner.html
    I have no idea why the amazing Mustang L.I.F.T was discontinued:
    http://www.landfallnavigation.com/liftvestpfd.html

  22. When I go MOB, I want one of those LIFT inflatables and one of those smoke flares!
    According to the link, that PFD had 40 lbs floatation. The usual Mustang vests now have 35, but the Mustang Survival EP38 has 38 lbs. And it has additional features: spray hood, storage for AIS, PLB, strobes, and other electronics, and a sailing harness and crotch straps.
    http://www.landfallnavigation.com/mustang-ep38-md6284.html
    Although the LIFT PDF was discontinued, maybe some of its innovation was carried on in other models.
    Regarding the SAIL story, everyone makes mistakes sometimes. I can expand on that later, or not. Anybody reading it can judge for themselves.

  23. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    “Everyone Makes Mistakes Sometimes” would look good embroidered, framed, and velcroed to a bulkhead alongside the “Boat Sweet Boat” homily. And if you make enough mistakes, or know someone who qualifies, you should head right over to Despair,Inc. for this bit of wisdom:
    https://despair.com/products/mistakes

  24. While these smartphone based safety devices are admirable they are not configured or configurable as safety critical devices. The manufacturing quality of these consumer grade / low volume devices often leaves a lot to be desired especially when aren’t in daily use or tested. Hacking a phone app is magnitudes more trivial than building mission and safety critical hardware that is reliable.
    We’re close to having a good MOB sensor / effector in terms of features and functionality but none of these devices are triggering me to buy just yet. They will all need to be idiotproof, tamperproof, have AIS, GPS, two way comms, diagnostics, certification, vital sign monitoring, auto strobing above the wave line and simply and reliably able to be tied into the main vessel NMEA2K system.
    Bluetooth is not a great mission critical protocol although the low energy variants are getting better. Signal K compatibility is also on my mandatory list of must haves. Open standards are the only viable option for interoperability these days now that the DoD Mil Stds and Specs are mostly retired.
    That said there is a place for training and mandated / checked safety initiatives for boat owners. I know many abhor more government intervention but it’s much easier for a clueless or ill prepared boat owner to put innocent people in harms way. Just this week I saw a baby unattended in a pram on the dock. I shuddered at the potential for something bad to happen. No safety device is going to help mitigate the risk in this situation.
    Love your posts. Detailed and the comments are also useful to keep up to date.

  25. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Leftbrain, gosh, I think general purpose programmable devices that are cost effective to update and deploy new software (aka smartphones) is an excellent platform for a MOB solution.
    Dedicated hardware can just as easily have bugs and flaws in it, but then they become difficult to update and impossible to be sure consumers have updated. Using smartphones also reduces the costs to make MOB devices cost effective. Especially if you only have 1 crew to protect (somebody sleeping vs someone on watch), this seems very cost effective.

  26. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    The Sea Tags MOB system is now available in North America from Fugawi:
    https://www.fugawi.com/store/product/ST-ST1?taxon_id=91
    The Fell MOB+ too.

  27. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Cool!
    “Weems & Plath has been named the exclusive manufacturer and distributor of CrewWatcher, a system of beacon and app that is an affordable crew overboard alarm & locator. We are very excited about this new product. We will feature it for the first time at the Annapolis Sailboat Show.”
    My take: CrewWatcher couldn’t get better distribution and support, and PanPan will get the time to develope new products and fine tune CrewWatcher if needed (even the beacons can be updated over the Internet now).

  28. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    The CrewWatcher MOB system has some serious competition for the DAME Award. Meet the OLAS Float-On:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3HL7Q6jhCQ

  29. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    CrewWatcher wins the DAME Award for safety products, big congratulations to PanPan and Weems & Plath
    https://www.metstrade.com/innovation/dame-winners/

  30. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    The Weems & Plath CrewWatcher is not yet in full production but West Marine seems to have a early batch:
    https://www.westmarine.com/buy/weems-plath–crewwatcher-mob-system-two-beacons–18860437
    I don’t think that the Exposure OLAS Float-On combination flashlight, strobe, and Bluetooth MOB tag is shipping yet but their wrist tags are… https://goo.gl/sauJiY …and so are Sea-Tags, as I mentioned above.
    In other words, three different Bluetooth MOB systems should get a lot more real world testing in the coming months (and I hope that some of those users will report in).
    Incidentally, and especially for owners of open power boats, I saw the Fell MOB+ demonstrated at IBEX and was quite impressed. It too is shipping:
    https://www.fugawi.com/store/category/67

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