VOJ to NZ, with OpenPort, FB150, & more

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

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20 Responses

  1. Adam says:

    Well I for one am *definitely* interested in these options (FB150 and mini-VSAT in particular) in anticipation of our 2011 version of the Big Trip.

  2. SG says:

    Port Networks is really a good system. We have had their simple MWB200 and it really has been stable and reliable. Over the last 3 years, whenever I’ve had a problem, they’ve been there — even though the problems were really external to their original system.

  3. Russ says:

    I’m certainly interested and watching closely. We’ll be heading west through the Caribbean this winter, then into the South Pacific next spring.

  4. Jeff says:

    I’m certainly interested. Having an affordable always on broadband would allow me to sail a lot more and keep the business running.

  5. Skipper150 says:

    Ben, as you know, I represent the low-cost alternative, being the “Skipper 150” you wrote about a couple of months ago. The “Skipper 150” is manufactured in Singapore by Addvalue/Wideye, under the same Inmarsat development contract, Inmarsat signed with Thrane & Thrane (Sailor 150/KVH FB150). Our hardware cost is substantially lower and we offer the same Inmarsat services, with a month-to-month, pay-as-you-go entry level airtime plan, which is presently the cheapest on the market! Something that is very important to emphasize is airtime operating costs and you alluded to it in your above article, mentioning a modest request by VOJ for free airtime. If you surf the web like you would do with WiFi or landside Broadband service, you will pay “through the nose”. However, if you are far offshore and in need of 24/7 communication, running your business, checking your 401K, view your investment banking statements or download fishing or weather charts, then this is the product you want and the cost will be affordable. For the time being, unless, you are a business person or belong to the group of people with deeper pockets who want this, the “Skipper 150” and its siblings are business tools! Just keep the kids away from the terminal! I want to add that I am also a very satisfied “Skipper 150” end-user, having had a unit on board “Bremer Speck” since early June, and testing it under various conditions, offshore, inshore and at the dock. To sum it up in 2 words: It rocks! All “Skipper 150” details available on our web site http://www.skippercommunication.com

  6. Russ says:

    Skipper150 – Could you calibrate your comment? What should someone expect to spend on airtime per month to do email, check their 401k, do some banking, and download weather charts?

  7. Dan Gingras (Captdang) says:

    The Port wifi system is nice, but the Engenius EOC 3220 EXT is half the price with similar specs. I bought mine from Keenan Systems (http://www.keenansystems.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=237)
    and absolutely love the performance.
    Dan

  8. jim gottlieb says:

    I have installed a Skipper 150 on my 100ft sailboat Iemanja. I purchased mainly for business reason as mentioned above. The unit works great but have not tested it offshore yet. I will be going offshore from NYC to USVI Nov. 1st and will post an offshore review hopefully while offshore. I have also installed an Engenius EOR7550 to get local free WIFI. However, the initial testing of the Engenius product in my office was not very good. The standard Linksys indoor WIFI product received far more sites than the Engenius product. I am going to hook it up to my boat anyway and test it more in the BVI. I always will have the Skipper 150 and my Sprint EVDO(works only in USVI) to get connected regardless

  9. Skipper150 says:

    Russ,
    There are various plans depending on how much you use the system per day and also on how much you use the system on a monthly/annual basis. As a sailor myself, I find that I am only on my boat a limited number of days a month and then, being in New England, only certain months of the year. This is why we offer a �pay-as-you-go� plan specifically tailored for us sailors. So, to answer your specific questions, based on my own personal usage (and I also have a business to run on shore) you would be looking at about $12 per day for 20 emails of average size. You can add $2 to $4 a day for downloaded weather images and around $3 for checking your 401K. Please understand that these are estimates only and I am using the cost of weather images with heavy graphics and colors. Once we can establish an average usage profile for your specific usage, we will gladly work with you on the many tricks and methods used to reduce satellite communications costs, i.e. website caching and compression.
    I should also point out that when compared to the Iridium OpenPort, when using a �pay-as-you-go� plan you will find that the Skipper 150 is less expensive. Of course if you expect to be a heavy user, in terms of your time at sea, then we have annual plans which include a monthly subscription fee.
    Finally, as far as VOJ is concerned, I would be concerned about the placement of the KVH antenna.
    It is high up on the spreaders and this will greatly increase the need for constant adjustment to hold a fix on the satellite. Furthermore, they should make sure not to use both systems at the same time. The OpenPort and KVH pods are too close together and this will create interference!
    Cheers,
    Ronald
    a/k/a Skipper 150
    s/v Bremer Speck

  10. Russ says:

    WiFi: I’ve been using a Syrens MaxPower Bridge/Gateway/Access point for the last year and there have been a few things to sort out, but generally it works well. That said, it is essentially impossible to rate performance without a controlled environment. In the real world, with no way to know where the shoreside AP is actually located, its antenna or signal power, on a boat which is constantly swinging on the hook and thus changing it’s position relative to the shoreside AP, who knows how well our bridges are really working in any objective manner? Additionally, RF signals are very quirky. Anone who has moved 10′ and gotten a better cell phone signal should recognize the problem.
    At least in the Caribbean, there is not much free WiFi out there anymore, pretty much everyone has figured out that people will pay for access; sometimes reasonable rates, sometimes not. Maybe there is “free” access if you’re paying dockage, but not likely if you’re on the hook. Sometimes we would stumble across an unsecured signal, but at least half the time we paid for our access.
    Skipper 150 et al: In VOJ’s case, and our case, the interest is in broadband at sea, and in anchorages with no WiFi. I just measured roughly 1MB of data to sign onto the Wells Fargo web site and see my checks. Three screens: home page, acct summary and checks would have cost $12 of airtime. Presumably if I was more clever I could use my iPhone as the client instead of my computer and reduce the traffic.
    While the Skipper 150 is clearly less expensive for the equipment and the service, there is a huge jump in traffic from GRIBs, text forecasts and email, to accessing financial services web sites designed for DSL or cable bandwidth.
    I look forward to seeing VOJs airtime bill how they judge the cost effectiveness of broadband at sea.

  11. Skipper150 says:

    With any mobile satellite service, be it Iridium, Inmarsat, Globalstar or any other, you have to be mindful of how you use it. I am curious how you measured the amount of data that was transferred when you logged in to Wells Fargo? There are many tips and tricks that will help you save money, like bookmarking your favorite websites so you can go straight to the page you want without having to navigate several different pages to get there, have web page caching enabled in your browser (usually the default) so that each time you go back to Wells Fargo you are not paying to download the same graphics over and over again, and others.
    When I said ~$12MB remember that was based on a �pay-as-you-go� plan. One MB on and equivalent plan from KVH is $13.50 and on OpenPort I have seen it run as high $22MB (and that is at only 32kbps). Now, if you plan to be at sea a great deal of your time then you should look at the annual plans (monthly subscription plans), here we can get the per MB rate down to as low as $6 or $7 p/MB, and even lower, but there is a trade off in that you will have a monthly subscription which can be as low as $100 p/mo. on up. The same is true for the OpenPort, only with the OpenPort all of their plans are based on 32kbps service and if you want the higher 128kbps service then be prepared to pay as much as a $300+ p/mo. surcharge on top of your monthly subscription charge for it. Hope all of this helps.

  12. Russ says:

    Ron: The Activity Monitor in the Mac OS reports total data downloaded (like the Tank Monitor in Windows). I restarted to set the total back to 0 and improve the resolution. I noted the value, entered wellsfargo.com in my browser (login is on the home page) and navigated to my checks. The cache was of course on and I’ve been to the site many times in the past.
    The core problem is that these web sites are designed for terrestrial broadband. That’s why I think using a smart phone as a client would probably reduce the traffic; the “mobile” version of many sites is designed to use less bandwidth.
    But this is speculation, hopefully VOJ will give us a good understanding of real world air time consumption.

  13. Kees says:

    Russ,
    There is no need to use the small screen (and additional costs) of using a mobile to browse frugally.
    I just tried setting my User-Agent setting to “iPhone 3.0” and then browsed to wellsfargo.com. I did indeed get a fully “mobile optimised” website, so I recommend that you try this.
    To change your User-Agent in Firefox download the User Agent Switching extension after which you can set the user agent in menu item Tools > Default User Agent. To change your User-Agent in Safari is even simpler: enable the Developer menu in the Safari Preferences on the Advanced tab, then click Develop > User-Agent.
    Hope this helps,
    Kees

  14. Bill Lentz says:

    Ron you have me sold I sent an e-mail on your website today. How long does it take to get delivery on the Skipper 150 unit?
    As far as WiFi I have tried almost every marine and non marine units. I found the the Engenius to be a pain to use and hated having to get to it when a hard reset was needed. I had an Engenius 3220 that I had the GeoSatSolutions firmware installed which made it easy as pie to use and I had no more programming problems. I have used the GeoSatSolutions high power unit for the last 2 years with great success. It is the only permanent WiFi system I have in the boat. I also just installed the Ericsson W35 next to my W25 while it’s not as robust looking as the W25 the 35 is every bit as good for me. I’ll probably take the W25 out soon now that I am satisfied with the W-35.
    Bill Lentz

  15. Skipper150 says:

    Hi Bill, got your email. Thank you. Will respond offline, shortly. For all others, the “Skipper 150” is available now. The next batch of units is due to arrive here in about 2-3 weeks. Supply is still a little thin because production has not been ramped-up to full capacity as yet. Just about every unit that ships right now is pre-sold! Since the introduction of the “Skipper 150” this past May, about 75 have been sold in the USA, so far.

  16. Russ says:

    Kees: Thanks, I didn’t even know those setting existed! It’s a trick that Ron should note. It could definitely save some bytes for the Skipper 150 users.

  17. chriggel says:

    Normally testing Inmarsat aviation satellite modems for Airbus, I just got one Skipper 150 to play with. I placed the antenna (merely 2KG) on my balkony and within seconds it had logged onto the satellite. Speach quality is excellent and data rate more than enough. But with usual costs of $12-$15 per Megabyte, you should use software solutions like OCENS, Skyfile or Telaurus which helps you to limit the amount of data transmitted.
    Unfortunately Inmarsat’s Launch Pad software regularly lost contact to the Skipper 150. This should be solved with updated versions of Launch-Pad or Skipper-firmware.
    The power consumption is not too bad: 29 Watts in Stand-by mode and 45 Watts when being online. Still quite a lot when you run on batteries on a sailboat and would like to be able to be called anytime.
    I did not find any power saving mode as it was announced here some time ago by MrGregL. I hope, some of this power-saving modes will make it into future firmware-updates. But all in all I am pretty impressed!

  18. Bill Lentz says:

    I may have one here possibly this weekend. The weather is terrible right now caught in a North Easter (at the dock). I will be reporting all aspects of the unit from installation to testing.
    Bill Lentz

  19. Bill Lentz says:

    Hello Ben and all; I want to start by thanking Ron for getting me the Skipper 150 so fast. Consider the time line. Wednesday Ron gets the money for the terminal. Friday my office faxes over the air time application. I pay for overnight Saturday shipping to my marina. The unit arrives after reading the manual and looking up at my radar arch in the middle of a Nor’Easter I decide to make a few quick connections. For power I use a Radio Shack cigarette lighter to binding post adapter, I literally lay the Outdoor unit on one of my cockpit side boxes with a finger hole for the coax cable to go through. I plug the handset in and power the unit up. I had the unit up and running in less than 5 minutes. 1st I decided to try a few phone calls, yes there is the usual delay and since I had called a Ericsson W35 my wife said she could bearly hear herself being repeated but could hear me fine. On my end the call sounded fine other than the usual sat delay (we were looking at each other). Next step I hooked up the CAT5 to the computer. I then followed and did exactly what the instructions said for making a desktop shortcut. I entered the password and user name and did 3 SMS messages 2 to cellular devices on my boat and one to a friend. They were all received within minutes. The next step I took was to initiate a data session where I went to a speed test site I use. I did 3 pings all were 153kbps download and 76-78 upload. Next step (real important) I disconnected the Data session. Well I don’t know how much easier and trouble free it could have been. On the sat statistics page it said I had a received RSSI of -52.5dbm. Considering the heavy rain and wind not to mention the sub standard placement of the Dome this semmed excellent. So far this has been painless the only pain I might feel is if I have to use the Data tab too often which I should not. Now I am off to change my INMARSAT numbers on my EPIRB registrations with NOAA. I will be removing the old KVH Tracphone 252 and mounting the below deck unit. Since we have to leave the boat on Monday I will have the marina mount the Radome in where the 252 now sits. Ben I have pictures if you wanted to post them of the lash up but I figure it is not worth wasting the bandwidth on this site.
    Bill Lentz

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