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Waste plumbing, more important than electronics!

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now excited to have Ben Stein as very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Panbo is going to the next level in 2019 and beyond.

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  1. Jim McGowan says:

    There was a local plumber in my town who had this little gem of wisdom painted on the back of his van:
    “A straight flush always beats a full house.”
    Glad to hear everything is in good order in Maine!

  2. Raul says:

    One year we ended up in the Canadian Gulf Islands with an inop Jabsco macerator pump and no pump out stations nearby. I bought a replacement pump at a local marine store, only to find out that our boat’s factory installation did not allow access to the pump. In the end I re-plumbed the holding tank and located the new pump in an accessible area.
    These pumps often fail or freeze up due to lack of use. Here are a few things that I found out you can do to increase the life of the pump:
    1- Use it whenever possible (in a legal waste dumping area).
    2- If you can’t use it, remove the rubber end plug and rotate the shaft with a screwdriver on a regular basis.
    3- Check the voltage drop at the pump. They draw a lot of juice and often the wiring and switches on a boat are undersized. I ended up installing a relay close to the pump and running 10ga wire to it.
    Raul

  3. Rick R says:

    Wow, a pump tank named after you!!!. In 5000 years, an archaeologist from some distant planet will dig this thing up and wonder what it is, why a persons name is on it, and conclude that it probably has something to do do with the practice of jet pilots to put their names on their helmets.
    A malfunctioning Jabsco macerator pump is not something I think about every day. Like they say, “I can’t understand why it doesn’t work. It ran fine the last time I used it two years ago.”
    But how can one test it without incuring the wrath of the Coast Guard or going 3 miles off shore (In the US, further in other countries)? It’s easy to check if the motor is running, but is it pumping?

  4. There is only one solution to macerator pump woes — install a Sealand T-series waste pump. They run dry; they run forever. They are worth every penny.

  5. Russ says:

    I also recently had head plumbing problems on New Morning. The problem turned out to be an extraordinary buildup of mineral deposits in the hose which eventually blocked the hose entirely and led to the failure of my Jabsco 59090 holding tank pump. I replaced one section of hose and found it was down to about a 1/2″ diameter.
    So it’s possible that the pump problems are related to hose problems, not unlike heart problems being linked to blocked arteries. Gizmoo may have “high effluent plumbing pressure”!
    Peggie Hall, the expert on such matters, advised that a corrective dose of 20% muratic (aka hydrochorlic) acid, left to stand for one hour would clear the hose, and a weekly maintenance dose of 1 cup of distilled white vinegar, also let stand for one hour would prevent this from happening again. As I found the sanitation hose very difficult to work with, I applied two rounds of muratic acid and now apply the white vinegar regularly.

  6. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Thanks, Steve. I’d like to have a diaphragm pump instead of an impeller but the Sealand T is actually a waste discharge pump not a waste macerator pump. That’s why its inlet and outlet are both 1.5-inch ID. The Jabsco also has a 1.5-inch inlet, but its outlet is 1-inch and it has a chopper blade. At any rate, to make the change I’d have to replace the 1-inch seacock with a 1.5-inch one, and I’m not willing to go that far (yet).
    And thank you, Russ, for the medicinal specifics. Gizmo also came with a gallon of white vingegar, which I’ve used along numerous other cleaning solutions. I don’t think I have significant mineral build up, but then again the short hose from tank to Jabsco is very hard to inspect. But I do have a translucent Jabsco to seacock hose now, so I can actually see it work. (It sounded fine after both rebuilds.)
    Thanks all for discussing this subject. Many folks don’t want to 😉

  7. Allan Seymour says:

    Ben our solution on board The SallyW this summer was to install a Vacuflush, it uses a tiny amount of fresh water to flush which eliminates the calcium buildup and allows us to pumpout less frequently. Also using fresh water seems te eliminate the odors considerably We have done the Mini Loop this summer and got to all the pump stations in time. Had to as we couldn’t discharge, no macerator pump and it would be illegal and irresponsible as well. In Canada pumpouts cost $20 so one goes as long as possible. See http://www.tugsallyw.blogspot.com

  8. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Funny, I also “over the winter I rebuilt the Jabsco. Twice. And it still didn’t pump the tank out!”
    There are some number of parts, but the pump design itself, with everything keyed so that it only fits together one way, appeared well designed to allow a sailor to easily succeed at a rebuild. But alas, both rebuilds failed in different ways.

  9. nwboater says:

    When I read of peoples problems with complicated head systems it confirms our decision last year to install a Natures Head composting toilet on NiSa.
    When our old Lectra San finally became useless last year we faced a big decision. Canada no longer approves the pleasure boat version of the Lectra San, which is a shame because it’s a great system. We did not have the space for a decent sized holding tank, nor did we really want all the complications and maintenance of such a system.
    We did considerable research on composting toilets for boats and it was enlightening. The reports from users of the two popular composting toilet brands for boats, Natures Head and Airhead, unanimously were pleased with their choices. In a lot of years boating this is the first time I have read of a piece of boating equipment that everyone was happy with.
    There are a few downsides, the biggest being the emptying of the urine jug. But they are far outweighed for us by the simplicity and reliability of the system. We are very pleased with our decison!

  10. Sandy Daugherty says:

    Where are our heads, folks? 6 comments in two days about a home septic tank, versus a ho-hum about some marine electronic minutiae in our recent past!It _is_ said that at some point in the aging process, our preoccupations turn from procreation to elimination.

  11. svHaven says:

    Yep, that is an electric bellows pump. Should work great. I had a manual bellows pump (i.e. a manual diaphram bildge pump of large size) on my last sailboat for holding tank discharge and it never once needed attention. On current sailboat Jeanneau uses a gravity fed system – no pump! Works great. Also eliminates a Y valve and extra plumbing.

  12. svHaven says:

    That translucent hose will smell quite interesting very soon! ugh. use head hose.

  13. Bill Lentz says:

    Ben, I had a VacuFlush and wasn’t happy with it. It was a factory certified installation. After 1 year I removed it. I ended up purchasing a Raritan Marine Elegance the standard model is a freshwater head that would macerate a tree limb if needed. I still use the SeaLand T series pump to feed my PuraSan Hold-N-Treat system when I am not in NDZ’s when I can legally discharge I turn on the Hold-N-Treat and it will treat then empty the tank and shut off when the holding tank empty. The Marine Elegance I chose has a 4 button smart control, normal flush, empty bowl, manual fill the bowl and a 3 cycle flush. The amount of freshwater that enters the bowl is programmable, it has a Porcelan bowl and a full sized seat. It draws 6 amps while flushing. It uses the same amount of water (or less) then the VacuFlush. They also make a rawwater/freshwater either or system if you don’t have enough freshwater onboard you can switch to the raw water feed. I almost always use the freshwater flush option.
    Bill
    MV;Wireless One

  14. Don Joyce says:

    Ben,
    I’m truly surprised that the Lavac itself has given you problems. There are no moving parts. Having had two Lavacs for over thirty years w/o problems I note that the problems I had were with the external pump rather than the head itself. Hope this is the end of your head problems for the next 30 years.
    Don

  15. Doug says:

    re: Jabsco rebuild – If the motor runs but doesn’t pump, check that the motor is turning in the right direction. If either the field magnets or the brush plate were rotated 180 degrees, it would run backwards. The easy fix is to reverse the polarity on the power leads.
    It seems like this shouldn’t happen. The various parts should be keyed so they always go together in the proper orientation.

  16. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    re: Jabsco Rebuild Kit, is focused on replacing the impeller, although other nearby parts get replaced. Rebuild does not involve disassembling the motor (at least not down to the magnets), just the pump is dissembled into many small parts.

  17. roger hudson says:

    The problem with ‘heads’ related kit is that is of a constant human scale ( obviously), it doesn’t scale down with the boat. My 27 foot sailboat had 2 thru-hulls, toilet , 2 manual pumps, diverter valve and a holding tank bigger than my diesel tank : I realised that half the forepart of the boat was devoted to excretion ! I ripped it all out ( blocked off the thru-hull holes)and replaced it with a lovely stainless steel bucket with a wooden seat and lid, also a chain to throw and retrieve the bucket. I polish the inside.
    Keep it simple.

  18. Bill Lentz says:

    Actually if you spend large amounts of time on your vessel, my wife and I are almost full time live aboards 8-9 months a year. I can testify you want a reliable head, freshwater is really nice in controlling odors. Having a controlled treatment system and properly sized holding tank are important if you want to be good stewards. Having no way of discharging untreated waste is a plus. Since there are numerous NDZ’s when coastal cruising properly sizing the holding tank with the heads ability to flush with little water is a balancing act. I got one of the 1st pre production Marine Elegance heads from Raritan and it truley is trouble free. If you are getting low on water you can always grab a bucket of water from over the side of the boat and simply use the flush only option on the ME if you don’t have the raw water optional pump and selector or the ability to make your own freshwater I do. I installed a Spectra 12VDC watermaker and it uses about 1.2AH’s per gallon for frsehwater production including the flush cycle. Something my 450 watts of solar can easily produce in addition to keeping the house battery banks charged. A boat if planned properly should be thought of as a series of systems that should compliment each other. Any weakness in the design or installation can have a cascading effect.
    However I can’t see the bucket and seat trick unless you plan on holding the buckets until you are 3 miles offshore in most costal areas.
    Bill
    MV:WIRELESS ONE

  19. Allan Seymour says:

    Glad someone mentioned the emptying of the bucket! I really like your description of a boat as a collection of systems but include people in the collection. We have different standards of acceptability. Some of us will accept more basic situations and others like to be more comfortable.

  20. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Simple is good, but please keep your buckets out of my tight little harbor! But I’ve used buckets, porta potties, and worse. Consider a 30-foot Hurricane Island Outward Bound School open cat ketch with as many as 15 students and instructors living aboard for many days at time without even a bucket head. Plus a diet heavy with lentils!
    The protocol was to hang onto the forward shrouds and cantilever your hind end over the rail, and if life was good the boat was broad reaching and you were at least partially hidden behind the main. It was a “character building experience” we were told.
    The Coast Guard put an end to that practice a long time ago, but not before I moved on to more civilized boating.

  21. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Anyone heard of “toshers”? They were the 19th century gents who apparently made a fair living by “sieving raw sewage in the dank, dangerous and uncharted sewers beneath the streets of London.” Apparently they also lived unusually long lives — for that period — possibly because their immune systems were always active. Great story here:
    http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/06/quite-likely-the-worst-job-ever/

  22. Bill Bishop says:

    Cool link about Mayhew and the Toshers Ben. The Tosher’s job was truly offal.

  23. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Well played, Bill, and to get ever further off topic, I discovered that piece and many other great reads thanks to the Instapaper app and bookmark system and sites like longreads.com. I don’t understand how all this great content can be stripped of ads and cached for easy perusal offline, but it’s wonderful for boaters and other wandering readers. I’m now trying the similar “Pocket” system and it seems even better…
    http://getpocket.com/

  24. Reed Erskine says:

    Just a note on personal experience with the Jabsco Macerator pump and Jabsco pumps in general: they tend to lose their ability to self-prime rather quicky. Tiny air leaks in dried out rubber seals cause them to spin uselessly unless they are mounted low and constantly immersed. Sometimes disassembly and liberal applications of silicone grease to the seals will revive them, but for effective pump-out situations nothing works like mounting them near the bottom of the holding tank…or so I’ve found.

  25. roger hudson says:

    I just wish my little Croatian town had a treatment/ sediment plant and an outflow pipe 3 miles long, the 3nm law is on the books but they are slow to act.
    Also no pump-out station within 25 miles. I will investigate the dessication systems though, we never have a lack of heat.

  26. Louis says:

    Hahaha love the bit “a straight flush beats a full house.” How has your guys’ experience been with the gorman rupp pump so far? Any performance flaws to be wary about?

  27. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Sorry, Louis, I have no experience with your Gorman Rupp pumps. I used a Goulds WSO511B pump for this job and it’s been working flawlessly so far. I have high expectations for a long life as the same model Goulds pump it replaced was still working fine after more than 20 years in a dark nasty place. Thanks for asking, though 😉

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