Vexilar T-Box WiFi fishfinder & Navionics SonarChart Live wow

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

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15 Responses

  1. Erik says:

    You can now use the LIVE-feature with Lowrance/ Simrad WIFI as as a source as well. So no need to go with the rather simple sonar of Vexilar. 😉

  2. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Righto! I just downloaded the 7.4.1 update for iOS and see that there’s now also numerous controls for the display of raw Live SonarCharts, like color and transparency.
    I can’t figure out how the app connects to NMEA 0183/2000 WiFi depth data feeds, though, unless it’s totally automated somehow. And note that such feeds from Navico GoFree, Vesper AIS, Digital Yacht WiFi appliance or wherever can NOT enable the Navionics app to show a fishfinder screen like the Vexilar connection can. The Vexilar T-Box is also well suited to a tender, which is also a good platform for collecting sonar logs in shallow or unknown places.

  3. Erik says:

    Totally automatic. I tried it out yesterday: http://teamcolibri.blogspot.no/2015/03/navionics-sonarcharts-live-na-via.html The text is in Norwegian (sorry) but I guess the screenshots tell the story.
    For me, fishing is why I boat. And while I have a Vexilar SP200, the sonar on it is not even close to the stuff I’m used to. So missing out on that is no big loss for me. I had three HDS 5 on my former 13′ boat, so the “well suited” part is up for discussion, as long as you use it for fishing. 😉

  4. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Thanks, Erik, great screen shots and Google does a half decent translation. Did you get confused like I did by the fact that the spot soundings in the SonarChart Live swaths are from the underlying chart, not your soundings? A friend in Florida just had that experience and, like me, surveyed the same area over and over hoping the spot soundings would get right.
    I hope Navionics reconsiders that SC Live detail, and meanwhile they’ve posted good directions on how to make it work with a Digital Yacht WLN10 Wireless NMEA Server: http://goo.gl/TgWl09

  5. Yes, thanks for that blogspot link. I have a few comments. First you say the echo sounder in the SP200 is so bad. It’s just a depth sounder, not a fishfinder, not a CHIRP fishfinder. Is it really fair to say it’s bad because it’s not a fishfinder, or is it really bad, for a depth sounder? I haven’t used one, so I have no opinion in this, other than to say that for charting the waters where grounding is a problem, how could it not work?
    The final paragraph says that it is not legal to log depth data in Norway and Sweden and especially not in Finland. Between not helping Russian subs and not going aground yourself, I don’t think that choice is too hard. Giuseppe Carnevali of Navionics reportedly said at the Miami International Boat show that there are an estimated 35,000 rocks in Norway that are not charted at the present time.
    Finally, the nice screenshots point out what I think is a flaw in the Live charts. Each traverse is a record of a depth sounder without side scan, so it should show up as a narrow path with no transverse information. Yet, each path leaves a trail of hills or contour line bubbles behind the boat. That is just strange. There is no attempt to merge with older data that I see, although maybe Navionics processes the data with better algorithms when they receive it. The best results would be from combining all inputs, not just taking the most recent as the best. I’d like to know more about how this works.

  6. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Norse, the Vexilar SP200 is a fishfinder — see screenshot at the top of this entry — but it’s a very small, inexpensive fishfinder.
    Navionics SonarChart Live does make big assumptions about depths left and right as you cruise along, but it should only be looked at as raw data anyway. The Live imagery is not corrected for tide levels and not at all integrated with existing data. That happens a couple of weeks later when the updated SonarCharts are available.
    All that said, I’d like it if the SonarChart Live “swaths” included track dots with depth readings, at least optionally or at a close zoom.

  7. Ben, thanks for correcting my mistake. In fact Vexilar claims the SP-200 “will rival any high end sonar on the market today”. So any comparisons are fair. Why does Erik (and others) say it is not good?
    BTW, the 35,000 rocks quote I credited to Navionics. A Navionics YouTube credits it to the Norwegian Coastal Administration.
    Comparing the Live version above of the N.C. test and the version after “processing back at the cartographic mothership”, the Live version goes overboard and the final version dials it back. I think Navionics should make the Live version more conservative to start with. Just my two bits based on limited knowledge so far. User reviews are still scarce at this point. It looks useful for tenders and kayaks which can explore and map the shallows without risk.

  8. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Thanks, Norse. I think SonarCharts Live is very much a work in progress and I gather that there will be lots of changes in its presentation and abilities in future Navionics Boating app updates.

  9. Erik says:

    Yes Ben, the spotsoundings vs live can be a bit confusing. But even more confusing is the fact that you “overwrite” contours of land and islands along the way. That rock in my screenshots almost disapears as I logg data around it.
    Norse, I do not see Live as an alternative to “real” mapping. So the rather blunt function of it does not bother me. I use Reefmaster to make my own charts, as well as Insight Genesis. Both outperform Navionics Live by a mile, with Reefmaster beeing the most complex but also the best of them. But with the collected data beeing crunched through Navionics own programming, the finished update on a Navionics map will probably look quite different from the live-version. (I can’t compare this, since Navionics by Norwegian law is unable to use the data to correct their maps.)
    The marketing for Sonarphone (as well as it’s competitor Deeper) is quite aggressive and does claim that their sonar is a great fishfinder. This is essentially BS when compared to high-end sonar. Sonarphone is better then Deeper, but it is not even close to a high-end CHIRP-system and Airmar ducer like I normally use. But I don’t expect it to either, given the difference in price. (You can buy several SP200 for the price of even the cheapest of Airmars CHIRP-ducers.) My point is not that SP200 is bad, it’s just that there are ways to have both great sonar and Navionics Live at the same time. Cheap sonar is a lot better then it used to be, but expensive sonar has gotten better as well, so there is still a significant gap.

  10. pav says:

    hello, i use vexilar t-pod and really want to be able to build their depth maps. but where I fish there is no coverage from Navionics. Perhaps there is a solution as to record the logs? I think it is not difficult and if Navionics made to write the log to the internal memory of the device would be very nice!

  11. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Pav, I think the SonarCharts Live will work anywhere, regardless of underlying charts. It would be interesting to see what they look like after processing into regular SonarCharts.

  12. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Cool: Digital Yacht just introduced Sonar Server, a WiFi box with NMEA 0183 input especially designed to make SonarChart Live work on an Apple or Android mobile. Perhaps most impressive is all the specific instructions and diagrams about how to install it with even aging electronics:
    http://sonarserver.com/

  13. The Sonar Server sends GPS and depth to WiFi. What else does it send from the NMEA 0183 stream to WiFi? I wonder if it and the Navionics app could possibly use Signal K …

  14. speedpiet says:

    dos it work with the vexilar sonarphone t-pod to? i dont mean the sonarphone sp200 model. any answer i am greatfull for. thank you

  15. Hingol says:

    Hey guys, I just got a Vexilar T-box and used it on a fishing trip about 20 kms offshore Arabian Sea. On my mobile screen, few big fish were shown at the bottom. What could be a way to know the exact spot where the fish are at the bottom. The water depth was 70′. Thanks guys…..

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